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STELLANOVA

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  • 2 months later...

Čestitam situaciju 🙂. Javi još utisaka kada ga malo pročešljaš, siguran sam da je mašina ekstra. 

Nažalost, Zona kao da je postala zona sumraka. Forum je zamro skroz, od nekadašnje ekipe retko da je ko ostao. Doduše i sam veoma retko svratim a i kad svratim

- mrtvilo. Mislim da je većina amatera završila sa mobilnim umesto dslr-a ili milc-a a profesionalci ionako nemaju potrebe da mnogo pišu , više rade.

Euforija većeg digitalnog senzora je prošla pa je daleko manji broj zainteresovanih za nove igračke a i cene su otišle uvis.

Ostaju oni koji rade i zarađuju od fotografisanja, a ogromnoj većini je dovoljan telefon. 

Sebe tu ne ubrajam ali su trendovi takvi, samo škljocaj i odmah šalji na mreže, to je život!

 

 

 

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Ehej, sad vidim post. Da se i ja pridružim čestitkama. 🙂

Koliko god je kaskao sa prethodnim modelima, Z9 i sada Z8 su napokon sašili fenomenalno. Drago mi je da je Nikon napokon uhvatio korak i da gura sada punom parom. Takođe odlični znaci su i to što polako napušta canonsku gladni-smo-para filozofiju zatvorenog sistema za dobrobit svih korisnika. Stellanova, koja stakla koristiš sa njim? Ja UWA staklo za Sony još nisam kupio 😉 sve čekam i nadam se da će Sony uskoro izbaciti nekakav 14-30 ili 14-35 f4 kao Nikon u Z varijanti. Mislim da je to najbolje staklo u UWA varijanti u poslednjih deceniju i po.

@radica1, forum nije "umro" zbog toga o čemu pričaš, nego zbog napaljenih novih moderatora koji su pre par godina krenuli da drndaju ljude, smaraju, uvode nekakve restrikcije u postovima, čak su i pojedine stare članove banovali. Nije više bilo slobode pisanja i razgovora. Prestala je šala i drugarska zajebancija i stalno su smarali o flejmu. 
Foto deo foruma (za ostale ne znam) se nepovratno degradirao zbog lošeg izbora moderatora. Masa ljudi ovde dolazila je jer nam je to bila bukvalno navika i upravo zbog druženja i atmosfere, a sada je to na nivou - kad se čovek seti navrati malo da vidi koga ima i šta se radi. I tako... to nam je što nam je. Pazi, uvek postoji šansa da se jednog dana nešto uradi i forum zablista starim sjajem ali za sada toga nema ni na vidiku.

Sve najbolje

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jedan drugi forum je na ˝izvolte˝ što se tiče moderatora, pa opet...ništa.. 🙂 

Ili skoro ništa, baš kao i ovde...Nisu se na vreme desile neke promene i sada je sve puno teže.

Odgovorno tvrdim da je moderacija motor svakog foruma ...

Prosto ako nema ko da vuče napred i da pokreće dobre teme i povremeno piše zanimljive textove, nista od cele stvari..

Ako se na forumu nista kvalitetno ne moze videti ili pročitati danima i mesecima, ljudi će početi da ga zaobilaze.

Mislim, ja razumem da se stari moderatori u jednom momentu umore od svega, ali ne razumem zbog čega im je draže da puste da cela stvar lagano propada umesto da blagovremeno pronadju neke nadahnute clanove i predaju im moderaciju.

Čemu to, posle mene potop, nikada mi neće biti jasno...

 

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12 hours ago, Dusko Jovic said:

Ehej, sad vidim post. Da se i ja pridružim čestitkama. 🙂

Koliko god je kaskao sa prethodnim modelima, Z9 i sada Z8 su napokon sašili fenomenalno. Drago mi je da je Nikon napokon uhvatio korak i da gura sada punom parom. Takođe odlični znaci su i to što polako napušta canonsku gladni-smo-para filozofiju zatvorenog sistema za dobrobit svih korisnika. Stellanova, koja stakla koristiš sa njim? Ja UWA staklo za Sony još nisam kupio 😉 sve čekam i nadam se da će Sony uskoro izbaciti nekakav 14-30 ili 14-35 f4 kao Nikon u Z varijanti. Mislim da je to najbolje staklo u UWA varijanti u poslednjih deceniju i po.
Sve najbolje

 

Hvala! Aparat je bonbona (i dalje imam D850 koji je stvarno dobar ali AF on z8 je nesto neverovatno).

 

Imam samo jedno Z staklo, 24-70 F4 (neverovatno kako je ostro, malo i lako). Mislim da cu ostati na tom staklu jos odsta vremena jer imam kompletiran set za F mount tako da cu koristiti adapter (sve radi kako bi trebalo).

 

Veoma pozitivno sam iznenadjen kako 35mm 1.4 Sigma Art radi i koliko je fokus bolji na Z8 sa adapterom nego na D850. 

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12 hours ago, Argon_ said:

jedan drugi forum je na ˝izvolte˝ što se tiče moderatora, pa opet...ništa.. 🙂 

Ili skoro ništa, baš kao i ovde...Nisu se na vreme desile neke promene i sada je sve puno teže.

U ono vreme, sa onim članovima, moderator je tu bio samo forme radi. Članstvo je prosto imalo naviku da u forum dođe, pregleda teme i napiše nešto. Delile su se fotografije, ko je šta kupovao on je to i testirao, pisao o tome, a ljudi komentarisali. Dan je počinjao uz kafu i pregled foruma. Ne treba moderator da izmišlja toplu vodu kada se formira dobra zajednica, a pogotovo ne treba da smara ljude šta je flejm i da im usmerava diskusije kao da su u vrtiću. Naravno treba da se reaguje ukoliko dođe baš do svađe neke i grubih reči ali to je bivalo jako retko. U svakom slučaju dobar forum je zlata vredan ne zato što će se tu naučiti nešto korisno - a hoće, nego zato što se tu zajednica povezuje, ljudi upoznaju i stvaraju prijateljstva. Biće valjda opet. Iskreno se nadam. 🙂

@STELLANOVA šanse nema da sa Z8 ne budeš prezadovoljan. Aparat je čista 10ka. Meni je Sony sistem srastao za srce ali da kojim slučajem njega nema, Nikon i Z8 bi bio moj izbor 1000%. Skoro sam uzeo Tamron 28-75 f2.8 ovu novu verziju sa VXD motorom. Staklo je bombona. Fokus u videu brz i precizan, tranzicije glatke, boke sjajan, 67mm promer filtera kao i na svim fiksnim staklima koje koristim sem na 85mm 1.4... Meni kao neka all-around varijanta izmišljen.

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Jes' vala, beše to nekad mnogo drugačije tj bolje... Kad se samo setim "rumunsko-talijanskih ratova" (C) by AmaNS, i kad pogledam forum koju godinu unazad ne mogu a da se ne složim sa gorenavedenim. Ali ima i jedan drugi razlog: opada generalno sav hajp vezan za fotografiju. Danas svako nosa fon i škljoca samodovoljno/samozadovoljno i ne treba mu bilo kakva interchangable skalamerija. Samim tim je drastično opao i kvalitet: nikad više fotki i nikad manjeg procenta dobrih fotki.

Ovde danas ima toliko malo postova i malo rasprave da bilo kakva moderacija praktično nije ni potrebna. Mi stariji znamo da se ponašamo a i uvažavamo se međusobno, a novih članova ionako nigde.

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11 hours ago, Dusko Jovic said:

U ono vreme, sa onim članovima, moderator je tu bio samo forme radi. Članstvo je prosto imalo naviku da u forum dođe, pregleda teme i napiše nešto

Kad se dodje već na taj nivo svakako da je tako. Ali ni tamo, ni na drugim forumima u početku se ne stvori  brojno i zanimljivo članstvo samo od sebe.

Na početku prvo moderatori pokušavaju da zainteresuju slučajne posetioce, dok to onda neki ne počnu sve češće da prate,.. i tako to krene...

Istina, ovi fotografski forumi su ušli u period krize pre koju godinu, medjutim tu krizu treba razlikovati od sunovrata koji se desio kada je moderacija prestala faktički i da dolazi i da postoji.

 

Igrom slučaja ja sam npr. preduzetnik, pa sad vi zamislite na sta bi to ličilo kada bih ja pod nekim izgovorom tek tako isčezao i prestao da dolazim na posao.

Pa i oni koji su ostali uskoro bi se razišli...

 

 

 

 

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Ljudi, posmatrajmo to sa vedrije strane... Nekad su se nosile farmerke uz nogu, posle su ih zamenile zvonare, pa onda opet dođe vreme za one uske 🙂 Stvari se okreću... Nekad je Nikon bio totalni vrh, pa je onda bio skroro pred bankrotom, a evo ga sad Stellanova kupio Nikona koji samo što sam ne ode da fotka i vrati se kući pre ručka (usput svrati do sisate prodavačice preko puta da kupi pivo i napravi jedan dekoltirani portretić). Isto tako će i forumi da zasijaju starim sjajem kad se prava raja poželi toga. 🙂

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Najveci problem je jer vecina ne voli kada im se argumentovano kontrira, ili kada se kaze nesto sto nije pohvalno za fotografije koje su napravili... To je scenari sa kojim vecina ne ume da se nosi jer previse licno dozivljava tudje misljenje... Zato se migrira ka drustvenim mrezama jer tamo svako moze da uredi sta zeli da cuje, krug ljudi koji mu pase i da tak uziva u "idili"... Cisti idjotizam ali je tako, genralno je je tako, vecina ljidi bra liniju manjeg otpora kroz zivot po svim pitanjima.

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Izašao novi firmware. Nikon je zaista odlučio da pokuša da vrati staru slavu.

 

Spisak unapredjenja je kao da je izašla nova verzija aparata...

 

■ Still Photography

  • • Added [Pixel shift shooting] to the photo shooting menu.
  • • Added new picture controls.
  • • Added [Birds] to [AF subject detection options] in the photo shooting menu.
  • • The maximum shooting display zoom ratio is now 400%.
  • • Added [Auto capture] to the photo shooting menu. Users can select capture criteria from [Motion] (the direction the subject is moving), [Distance] (how far the subject is from the camera), and [Subject detection] (whether or not a subject of a given type is detected), and the camera will take photographs automatically while it detects subjects that meet the selected criteria. Note that [Distance] is available with NIKKOR Z lenses and may not function as expected when used with other lenses. The [FX (36×24)] and [DX (24×16)] image areas are available with auto capture.
  • • The length of time the camera will continue to buffer frames before cancelling shooting during the Pre-Release Capture phase of high-speed frame capture + has been increased from 30 to 300 seconds.
  • • Added [Large] to the size options available for [Secondary slot function] > [JPEG primary - JPEG secondary] in the photo shooting menu.
  • • Added new bracketing increments for use during auto bracketing with [AE & flash bracketing], [AE bracketing], or [Flash bracketing] selected for [Auto bracketing set]. This change also applies to [Interval timer shooting] > [Options] > [AE bracketing] > [Increment].

■ Video Recording

  • • Added new picture controls.
  • • Added [Birds] to [AF subject detection options] in the video recording menu.
  • • The maximum shooting display zoom ratio is now 400%.
  • • Added [Auto capture] to the video recording menu. Users can select capture criteria from [Motion] (the direction the subject is moving), [Distance] (how far the subject is from the camera), and [Subject detection] (whether or not a subject of a given type is detected), and the camera will record video automatically while it detects subjects that meet the selected criteria. Note that [Distance] is available with NIKKOR Z lenses and may not function as expected when used with other lenses. The [FX] and [DX] image areas are available with auto capture.
  • • Added low ISO sensitivity options to [ISO sensitivity settings] > [ISO sensitivity (mode M)] for use during N-Log video recording.
  • • Changed the range of speeds available for Hi-Res Zoom.
  • • Added slow-motion video recording.

■ Playback

  • • Added [Playback speed] in the video playback “i” menu.
  • • Added [Auto image rotation] in the playback menu.
  • • Added [Auto series playback options] to [Series playback] in the playback menu.
  • • Made changes to the [Select for upload to computer] and [Select for upload (FTP)] items in the playback “i” menu and added [Select for priority upload to computer] and [Select for priority upload (FTP)].

■ Controls

  • • Added [Half-press to cancel zoom (MF)] item to the [CUSTOM SETTINGS MENU] in positions d18 and g17.
  • • Added [Focus point border width] to a11 [Focus point display] in the [CUSTOM SETTINGS MENU].
  • • Changes have been made to how a full format is performed with [Format memory card] in the [SETUP MENU].
  • • White balance and exposure compensation can now be adjusted while recalling the shooting function settings.
  • • Added support for the power zoom feature on power zoom lenses.
  • • Added an [Exposure delay mode] item to the [CUSTOM SETTINGS MENU] in position d6.
  • • Added to the custom controls and roles assignable via the following items in the [CUSTOM SETTINGS MENU]. New reset options have also been added.
    • - f2[Custom controls (shooting)]
    • - f3[Custom controls (playback)]
    • - g2[Custom controls]
    •    Choose [Prefer focus point] or [Prefer focus point (face priority)] for f3 [Custom controls (playback)] > [Main command dial] or [Sub-command dial] > [Frame advance zoom position].
      The settings for f3 [Custom controls (playback)] > [Main command dial] or [Sub-command dial] > [Frame advance] can now be applied during playback zoom.
  • • Made updates to [Non-CPU lens data] in the [SETUP MENU].
  • • Increased the character limit from 3 to 256 for “Category” entries in IPTC presets.
  • • Restructured the [Camera sounds] item in the [SETUP MENU] with the addition of new options, including new sounds and volume level adjustment for the electronic shutter.

■ Displays

  • • Added focus-distance information to the focus distance indicator displayed during manual focus.
  • • The option selected for [Viewfinder display size] (formerly [Finder display size (photo Lv)]) in the [SETUP MENU] now also applies in video and playback modes.

■ Network (Also NX Field)

  • • A warning now appears when the connection to an ATOMOS AirGlu BT accessory is unstable or disrupted.
  • • ATOMOS AirGlu BT accessories and MC-N10 remote grips can now be used together.
  • • Made changes and additions to the [Connect to FTP server] item in the [NETWORK MENU].
  • • Changed the procedure used when configuring the camera for synchronized release, increasing to twenty the number of groups that can be created, while the number of cameras in each group that can be controlled from the master camera has been increased to sixteen.
  • • Added [Overwrite copyright info] under [Connect to other cameras] in the [NETWORK MENU].

■ App-Related Changes

With NX MobileAir:

  • • the camera live view display for photo mode now shows NX MobileAir status, and
  • • camera settings saved to a memory card using [Save/load menu settings] can now be downloaded to the smart device or copied from the smart device to the camera memory card using NX MobileAir.

■ Other Changes

  • • The time the shooting display goes dark after shutter is released when [ON] is selected for [Photo flicker reduction] in the [PHOTO SHOOTING MENU] has become shorter.
  • • Improved the accuracy of [3D-tracking] for small, fast-moving subjects when [Auto], [People], [Animal], or [Vehicle] is chosen for [AF subject detection options] and no subject of the selected type is detected.
  • • Improved focus lock-on with flicker detection in low-speed continuous release mode.
  • • Made other improvements to the autofocus operation and its reliability.
  • • Fixed an issue that sometimes resulted in the viewfinder darkening during playback when [Auto] was selected for [Viewfinder brightness].
  • • It is now easier to obtain the correct exposure from the first shot during interval-timer photography in high-contrast settings or settings dark enough for starlight view.
  • • The histogram display is no longer available when starlight view is enabled.
  • • Changed the video low-capacity warning so that it is now displayed in white on a red background when there is less than one minute remaining. The warning is now also displayed when recording is not in progress.
  • • Users now have more precise control when scrolling through videos during playback using the progress bar.
  • • When [AF-area mode] is set to [3D-tracking] and the human subject is large relative to the frame and multiple eyes are detected near the tracking focus point, the camera will assign priority for focusing to the eye closer to the point.
  • • The RGB histogram is now easier to view when [Mode 1] or [Mode 2] is selected for d11 [Warm display colors] in [CUSTOM SETTINGS MENU].
  • • Fixed the following issues:
    • - Photos taken with interval-timer photography could sometimes be underexposed.
    • - Flash may not sometimes fire during focus shift.
    • - The focus position unintentionally returned to the position saved using [Save focus position] if standby timer was expired while power was supplied via USB and a WR-R10 was attached.
    • - Optimal exposure could sometimes not achieved in burst or focus shift shooting.
    • - Pressing the AF-ON button immediately ended playback when [Playback] was assigned to [AF-ON button] and [Prioritize viewfinder (2)] was selected for monitor mode.
    • - Shutter release was sometimes disabled when “Bulb” was selected for shutter speed.
    • - Focus point selection using the multi selector and sub-selector was unavailable if a touch operation was performed using [Position focus point] when [3D-tracking] was selected for AF-area mode.
    • - Fine-tuning values set in [AF fine-tuning options] in the setup menu did not apply while the subject is detected with [Wide-area AF (S)], [Wide-area AF (L)], [Wide-area AF (C1)], or [Wide-area AF (C2)] selected for [AF-area mode].
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